HelenDagner.com Helen Dagner's Forum    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The time now is Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:51 pm HelenDagner.com Forum Index View unanswered posts  Forum   Topics   Posts   Last Post  Stroll Down- ~OCCK-ARCHIVES   ~1977~The Unsolved Murder Of Tim King The abduction and murders of these 4 children should not remain Unsolved-this act of killing Mark,Jill,Kristine and Tim has touched so many people adversely for 33-34 years that it simply is not enough to keep their memory alive-we must seek Justice for the victims..their families..and all of us-we can-not do this without Devine Intervention...as GOD is the only one who can find a way were there is no way...Please Pray...     36 227 Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:17 pm Helen Dagner Detroit Free Press, Sunday, June 26, 1977-- In Oakland County, the Horror Seems Past . . . But Police Still Search, Children Are Uneasy And Parents Worry.....     122 759 Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:07 am Lferg RAGES~RANTS & REVEALATIONS-FEEDBACK-OCCK-FEEDBACK Robert-Of all the discussions-that I had with this guy{John}-the talks about the childrens clothing...what they were wearing at the time of their abductions.....well I just keep going back to the description of Kris's pants....there just is no one that could recall this with the accuracy that John did....when I found out -that in fact Kris had been wearing these cloths{I saw her drop off photo}...I was so puzzle by this-wondering why or how someone could remember this type of detail 15 yrs after the murders...I talked to a clinical psycholohist and a neurologist...and they both said John had a Eidetic Memory-which is very-very rare...and they both said he had to of seen these clothing on Kris...as there is no way his memory could have picked up such detail and then it would turn out to actually-be accurate....keep in mind-that details of Kris's clothing were never made public-ever...until I posted them in my original Occk story in 1999     22 1201 Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:40 pm Helen Dagner ~From The Desk Of Helen~ Helen,I think its high time to get Charles Busch's involvement and his opinions in this case. His brother is being accused by some as being a notorious child killer. Now, it's true pedophiles are scum but does the Busch family want to have this murderer stigmatism attached to the Busch name??? Time to interview Charles and see what HE knows and can add.XXXXX-*{I guess it will have to be someone else who does it as I do-not do any Interviews any more-Sorry...     10 93 Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:48 pm Helen Dagner Recent Michigan UFO Sightings {This Forum is read in 100 Countries}-SoMany?s creates short animation videos that have a unique blend of obscurity and humor involving the UFO phenomenon and satire toward the debunkers. His YouTube videos have been featured on Alien Casebook, The Debris Field, The Cosmic Lens, CoastToCoast, Paradigm Research Group, BackYardPhenomena, and other web sites. He has been trying to prove and convince himself and the researchers that he met Melvin Brown and his family in Michigan in 1971 and was told part of the Roswell story at that time. Moderator SoMany?s Moderator SoMany?s 1727 5146 Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:25 am SoMany?s Welcome to the All Native American Tribes genealogy/history forum Over One Million Views~ Moderator beverly bourque 35 791 Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:49 pm beverly bourque Welcome to the Wolf Den ~ Post your favorite Pics~ Moderator LoneWolfBunn 91 551 Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:25 am LoneWolfBunn Birthday goodies from restaurants and retailers abound Birthday goodies from restaurants and retailers abound, even in a tough economy, and they're not just for kids. There's plenty of free food, free stuff and great deals for adults and kids on their special days, though, like senior discounts at restaurants, you may have to ask for them wherever you go. We're not saying you should pretend it's your birthday to take advantage of these deals, but if it really is your birthday, here are some ways to celebrate for free or on the cheap.     107 723 Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:50 pm Helen Dagner Mark Stebbins Occk Victim-Archives     136 845 Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:28 am Helen Dagner Jill Robinson Occk Victim-Archives     20 146 Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:28 am Helen Dagner Kristine Mihelich Occk Victim-Archives     36 376 Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:29 am Helen Dagner Timothy King Occk Victim-Archives     43 464 Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:29 am Helen Dagner Alpena_Witness - Reasoning - To Victim's Family Members I wonder how many readers and LE filchers think we all know each other? The reality is, I have never met Helen, Alpena/Reasoning, Lferg, Too Close etc. I have, in fact, met Sam and am amazed and impressed at the vast law background and personal intuition that Sam possesses. None of us lives near each other, we don't call each other often ( I could count on my appendages how many times I have spoken to Helen in 7 years) - yet we all work toward the same thing-- justice for the children who became victims. Helen didn't seek out to find someone who would engage her for 9 months and tell her about the OCCK horrors. Alpena certainly didn't go to Big Boy to eavesdrop on a conversation that was weird, unbelievable and real and he certainly didn't know it meant anything until YEARS later. It is serendipitous that he made the connection between that night and the OCCK at all. I spent a good year deciding whether or not I should contact the woman whose experience I read on the internet in 2001 both because I was dubious and I didn't want to enter or stir anything for the King family that they did not want to face. My gut told me to go for it and that decision brought me to new enlightenment about the case as well as allowed me to reconnect with old friends as WE ALL work toward finishing what the police SHOULD have been able to do in 1978. That fact is, all of us have come together in a unique and fascinating manner that has furthered this horror saga farther than it has ever gone before. We all believe we have a good grasp on who the killer is, what happened and how it all went down. And all of it has strengthened the credibility of Helen's 9 months with John. We all know it, and so does LE. Now it's just about how much they think we know, versus what we really know and they are going to lose every time until they can face and accept the truth and acknowledge their colossal failure. CO     59 443 Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:15 pm Reasoning Mug Shot & Sketch Christopher Brian Busch     64 861 Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:51 pm Helen Dagner WINTERS FEARS~THE OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD SLAYINGS ~INVESTIGATION IN SOUND "Winter's Fears"~1977....WXYZ presents~1 hour special on Occk....David Newman/ sound taken from original tape/Winner-Peabody Award-1977~     10 65 Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:05 pm kyobserver ROGUE'S GALLERY-PHOTOS-Occk He wanted to cause the upper class deep and permanent pain, he decided that since money could be replaced the only way to do it was to strike at their children, besides this was something he could do, were as taking their money was beyond his ability...each killing gave him a sense of power and significance and intellectual superiority...yet some how he felt he was saving the children...     87 394 Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:52 am Helen Dagner Photos -Occk -Journey Wow Helen! That is the most comprehensive compilation of media and personal photos concerning the OCCK that can be found anywhere on the internet. I've looked at those things thousands of times and still find something that catches my eye. The photo of the search for Tim in Poppleton Park is, for me, like a moment taken directly from my mind's eye except from a different angle. I was watching through a back window from behind the evergreen trees.Casual Observer     66 592 Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:51 pm Helen Dagner Alpena Witness-Occk This person is taking everything ‘literally’ that has been written by Helen and misinterpreting it and finding contradictions. This is an easy game to play and can be done with anyone's writing. This person continues on about ‘Alpina Witness’, I believe that’s where I come into the picture but it would be nice if this intellect would at least learn how to spell it. This person calls my testimony an ‘ernest story’. I don’t even know what that means. My spell check doesn’t like the word ‘ernest’. Then he goes on questioning the ‘coincidence’ of it all. What does this person mean by that? For someone that is picking away at all of Helen’s writing, why does he write so poorly himself or herself? What is this person trying to convey? What are we even talking about a ‘coincidence’ of what? Is it a coincidence that the Big Boy restaurant is in my old neighborhood? A coincidence that I use to hang out there often through the years? A coincidence that I had close ties to that restaurant at one time long before this incident in 91? Is it coincidence that I was in town that night and can prove it? Is it that hard to believe that I went there and heard portions of the discussion? How many of you would remember something like this if it happened to you? I didn’t believe what I was hearing at the time so I didn’t go running to the police but I certainly remember it like it was yesterday....     18 2758 Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:54 am Helen Dagner John McKinney-Occk News Archives of helendagner.com ~August 11,1977 Interview~ On Monday, September 20, 1977, John McKinney, 50 years old from Birmingham, Michigan was shot to death in his small office at his Birmingham Gallery, located at 1025 Haynes. The only way to enter John's office was by a rear door off the gallery parking lot, east of the building. Police theorize that John knew his murderer since there were no signs of forced entry; there were drinks found poured, but untouched; and because his gallery was closed that day. All that was taken from the gallery was a wrapped fiber wall hanging, all his other art was still at the gallery. Two hours before he was killed John was seen having dinner with an unknown woman at a Troy restaurant. Police are trying to locate this woman. Police feel there were two people involved in the murder. John's car was found parked next to the gallery. An Autopsy showed one gun shot wound to the temple and that John may have been pistol-whipped about the head. There was a considerable amount of blood at the scene. John lived in Clawson and he had a son and a daughter. John was also a Chaplain who spent Sundays visiting the elderly as a volunteer.     65 521 Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:42 pm Casual Observer CASE FILE JOHN McKINNEY~OAKLAND COUNTY ANOTHER UNSOLVED! Someone knows who killed John McKinney....     46 508 Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:55 pm kyobserver ~OCCK-ARCHIVES-AA Ted Lamborgine- Is- Not- Our-Man!     76 452 Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:07 am Helen Dagner OCCK ARCHIVES~BB THE NEW OCCK TASK FORCE MAIL TO & FROM HELEN.....     18 87 Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:08 am Helen Dagner OCCK ARCHIVES- CC Theodore Weesner on true crime, literary awards and Helen     57 456 Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:09 am Helen Dagner ~OCCK-ARCHIVES~DD     10 92 Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:50 pm Sam ~OCCK-ARCHIVES-A POKING AROUND FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T WANT TO FIND~     73 142 Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:01 pm kyobserver ~OCCK-ARCHIVES-D I HAVE TO ASK~WHAT REALLY DID HAPPEN?-DET. ANGER     32 99 Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:54 pm kyobserver From The Desk Of YOOPERNEWSMAN American Indian reservation reaping oil benefits .....     105 127 Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:13 pm Helen Dagner Into The Fire Storm-Foreword by Don Shawhan- Introduction by R.L. Edinger {Don is my "Big Brother"} Reenacting and studying the history of the Civil War has been a longtime hobby of mine. This was spurred by the fact that I have ancestors who fought in the War Between the States, both North and South. My family itself even opposed each other as they lived in Kentucky, a divided state – some were Confederate, some were Union. I chose to reenact the 5th Wisconsin because, as a long-time resident of Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and a Civil War buff, Company A, 5th Wisconsin, was the first Unit to leave Manitowoc near the beginning of the war. The new Company, at first called the Manitowoc Guards, drilled at Union Park on the North Side of town in Manitowoc. Freedom and unity was foremost in their hearts.{More}     447 2436 Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:56 am Helen Dagner U.S. sits on mother lode of rare minerals     128 1354 Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:04 am Helen Dagner Indian holy leader and BA stewardess arrested over prostitution racket     68 183 Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:07 am Helen Dagner Programs-hardware-can-record-every-keystroke on YOUR PC     281 924 Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:02 am Helen Dagner A job, but there's a catch: a 1,000-mile commute     191 450 Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:18 am Helen Dagner Buried Alive-Half Of Earths Life     101 648 Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:20 am Helen Dagner Can A Magnets Make Credit Card Mag Stripe Not Work?     57 195 Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:25 am Helen Dagner Museum under fire as Bundy's VW 'death wagon' goes on show     221 497 Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:48 pm Helen Dagner Why Ladies-Only Species Don’t Need Men     113 185 Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:59 pm Helen Dagner Not Everyone Needs A Daily Aspirin     171 344 Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:17 pm Helen Dagner Job Sectors In Decline     158 385 Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:35 am Helen Dagner   Man Accused Of Molesting Girl For Years, Fathering Child Woman Says Abuse Began When She Was 8     56 279 Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:25 pm Helen Dagner 10-things-primary-care-physicians-won't tell you     18 38 Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:23 pm Helen Dagner Weird World News-Photo Occk Task Force Head     9 87 Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:39 pm Helen Dagner /rising-threat-of-infections-unfazed-by-antibiotics?     70 121 Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:39 pm Helen Dagner Chocolates and other foods for High Blood Pressure     39 74 Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:39 pm Helen Dagner All times are GMT - 5 Hours Who is Online Our users have posted a total of 27119 articles We have 273 registered users The newest registered user is penguinpopper In total there are 4 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 4 Guests   [ Administrator ]   [ Moderator ] Most users ever online was 191 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:01 am Registered Users: None This data is based on users active over the past five minutes Log in Username:    Password:      Log me on automatically each visit     New posts    No new posts    Forum is locked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group